Kirby: also improved, but, like pikachu, not enough to be ranked with the big boysД¬aptain falcon: i dont think he's as bad as people say he is, but he certainly doesnt rank up there with the best. Pikachu: the electric rat has improved a lot, with good smashes and an improved thunder Lucas: would be high tier, easily, if the grab animation thing wasnt so deterimental Ike: he would be so good if he didnt swing that sword around as if his arms are brokenДЇox: he's still pretty good, but he's done his dash.

he is probably what mario should have beenДonkey kong: nothing to say here. i dont dash a lot during matches, so i dont really slip over banana peels if he had more range, he would be higher for sureДiddy kong: he's pretty good, but nothing spectacular as far as i can tell. Olimar: very powerful, but hard to use overall Pit: good projectile, recovery, strong enough, and angel ring is a good move King dedede: also a chain grabber, but also a good stand alone character Ice climbers: if you can chain grab, hooray Snake: an awkward character, but undoubtably very good. Marth: very good, but i think a bit overratedДЇalco: also very good, with an excellent and annoying blaster strategy ROB: awesome recovery and powerful attacks, with uneven but good projectiles makes him one of the best Mr game and watch: would probably be the best in the game if he had a better projectile, and was more heavy Toon link: powerful, quick, with great projectiles. no projectiles hurts some but thats about it Meta knight: very fast attack and movement speed, multiple jumps, mach tornado, yadda yadda. remember: i take a dim view on condescending assholeism, so watch it some of you

I was gonna make this thread too eventually, but now that the game is out for a while, i see no harm in discussing possible tiers.

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